CohenInAz Re-Feed

[CohenInAz]

So... I received my re-feed plan. I can't start as I am still not at goal, but I asked a ton of questions and wanted to have them here, as I am not sure when we lose access to our personal consultants.

My Re-Feed Days:

3 to 8 and then 10 11 13 14 15 17 20 22 25 27 29 30.


1. I had a little slip up last week and deviated. I need to be 14 days deviation free before starting re-feed correct?

You need to be back 100 per cent on the diet plan for a week before you can start the refedding plan.

2. So when we start adding proteins, how do eggs work? Can we ever add an egg as protein?

The extra old protein is only fish chicken or meat, not the cheese or eggs or the yoghurt.

3. When we start mixing proteins (Is that on Day 13 or Day 14)? When we mix, we still stay within our Meal 1/Meal 2/Meal 3 right? For example, can I have an Egg for Meal 1 and add 120 grams of Yogurt? Then eat my normal Meal 2 and Meal 3 and add the needed veggies?

Please note that when you start the refeeding program, you are still following your original diet as before but add the new items or extra portions to the diet plan. You still make one choice out of each meal as you did before so you cannot have egg and yoghurt on the same day.

4. When it says add 1 good fruit, is this in addition to the 3 fruits I already have?

When you add the extra fruit it is in addition to the fruit allowance on the diet, but as before, the fruits and the crackers are optional so you do not need to eat the full total.

5. Side note, I wanted to confirm we can have 2 fruit servings in 1 sitting correct?

You can have maximum two crackers in one sitting but not 2 fruits in one sitting. (I had a consultant tell me yes to this early in the program, but maybe that was just in an emergency situation or having to do with the ½ marathon…

6. Skim milk replaces OLD protein only, correct?

Skim milk replaces OLD protein. (It says it once, but then in the days it didn’t so just wanted to check)

7. Only 2 x crackers can be had together, what is the rule for bread? Can I eat all three slices at once? DO I need an hour between slices?

The bread as the crackers are maximums you do not need to eat all of the bread and preferably not all in one sitting. Do not force yourself to eat so much bread if your body does not want it.

8. On Day 20, I can add 50g carbs. I need to eat the carbs within an hour of the bread correct?

Do not confuse the rules that apply afterwards and implement them on the refeeding program. The 1 hour rule of the carbs are for afterwards. The 50g of carbs are of such a nature that it will be part of the meal.

9. Silly question, with mixing proteins, cheese and meat would be considered mixing correct?

By eating cheese and meat in one meal you will be mixing proteins.

10. In there any new cheese protein or do we just stick to the defined diet cheeses? After re-feed it looks like we can enjoy all cheeses correct? 11. Is Feta still only once a week on re-feed?

The cheese options do not change on the refeeding. As you are still on the diet while refeeding, the same rules apply, even the Feta Cheese option.

11. Weight gain, the 2 lbs is from the start? For example... I start at 145... I go for a few days, get to 146.... go a few more days and hit 147. Do I then go back 2 days and go from there or because I did not gain 2 lbs in one day I am fine and just keep going?

If you gain 2 lbs. overnight you need to go back two of your personal days on the refeeding plan.

[CohenInAz]

Is wheat pasta ok?

Yes

Do we start cooking with any butter or margine or just on the toast/bread when it says in the guide.

No you do not cook with butter, the little bit of butter is only added on 1 slice of the bread.

How much cheese after re-feed. I've read on the forums we should stick to "diet" portions Is that true?

Your diet portion is a good guideline of what you can have (the maximum in your meal two portion.)

The type of foods that you have on the refeeding are a good indication of what to have afterwards as well in order to keep your weight down.

The carbs allowance on the refeeding is your guideline as to how much carbs you can have afterwards.

How long do we get to use our consultants once we are on re-feed, or does the support end at the end of the 12 weeks?

Your support is for the period needed to finish the refeeding.

After diet, do we need to always have a veg with our protein. Like, if I have a slice of pizza, so I need to have a salad with it?

No

When do we know to go back on plan vs. going carb free for 2 days. Like I gain 4 lbs a few months from now, it comes on slowly, not an overnight gain. Do I go carb free? Back to Re-Feed or back on plan?

If you keep your weight down by going carb free for 2 days after you have gained 1 pound, you will not get to the situation of having gained 4 lbs.

We're not suppose to go carb free with any gain right?

Question not clear. You only go carbs free for 48 hours AFTER the refeeding is you gain weight.

Under Carb is Butternut, Butternut Squash or Butternut like peanut butter?

All carbs

How should Peanut Butter be treated after diet a protein or a carb?

Carb

[CohenInAz]

Ok this is a meal question... as I was really confused... and I did make a few mistakes!

This is a pretend Day from Re-feed Day 29.

Here are the rules:

DAY 29
Protein Add 200 g New Protein and take 80 g off the Old Protein
Vegetables Add 40 g of Old Vegetables & 160 g of New Vegetables
Fruit Add 2 Bad Fruits
Carbs Have 3 slices of bread with butter or margarine on ONE
slice & 50 g Carbs. Add 1 plain cookie (no filling or
chocolate).
Other You may have 50 ml / 1.7 Oz of skim milk with/between
meals. (If you do, take off 40 g from your daily
fish/chicken/meat.)


Day 29 Re-feed Meal 1
170g Yogurt (your yoghurt allowance is 175g not 170g) (Ha I've been eatting too few yogurt the entire time!)
Toast with Butter - Do not add carbs to your first meal of the day even on refeeding. You do not need to have 3 slices of bread a day.
Bad Fruit

Snack:
Diet Fruit

Meal 2
Old Meal was:
65g Cheese with 105g Veg

Day 29 Re-Feed Meal 2
2 slices bread (make a sandwhich)
65g Cheese + 100g Chicken (1/2 the 200)
105g Old veg + 20 g old veg (1/2 40g) + 80 new veg (1/2 160g)


Do I have to have the 50g carb now? With this Meal? Or Can I have it with Meal 3?


Why would you want to have extra chicken with a sandwich ?

I am going to have to email my consultant about this... as I didn't think I was adding extra chicken, I was trying to mix cheese with a protein. Confused...

do not force yourself to eat more food than what you need. You do not need to have 50g of carb every day you can add the carbs with your dinner where you have your protein choice (and here you can have some extra mixed protein if you want to) but do not start artificial type of meals by adding chicken or carbs to a meal that does not need it. Once again the carbs rule of having carbs in a meal if you are going to have a dessert or having your carbs only once a day ONLY applies for after the refeeding. Do not force yourself to have too much food.

Maybe I can only have the extra protein... where I had the same proten before..... but yesterday they consultant said I could mix cheese and protein to have a "mixed" meal.... if I can't add new cheese... I would think I needed to add protein to my cheese meal.... Confused... Will email consultant.

Meal 3
Old Meal was:
120g Chicken with 95g Veg

Day 29 Refeed Meal 3 could be:

40g Old Protein Chicken (120g-80g) + 100g Pork (New Protein)
95g Old Veg + 20 g old veg (1/2 40g) + 80 new veg (1/2 160g)
50 g Rice (carb)
1 cookie

You only take away the 80g from your original portion if you add the full extra portion. But, once again, you do not need to have two proteins together like chicken or pork - just choose the portion size that you feel comfortable with and have that. So by day 29 you can only have your new protein portion instead of mixing it.

Did I do that right? (Um... no it doesn look like it.. ha ps this is me not the consultant!)

Now if I had 50ml of milk, during the day and ate Meal 1 and 2 as above would Meal 3 be:
100g Pork (New Protein) (No 40g Old Protein because I had Milk)
95g Old Veg + 20 g old veg (1/2 40g) + 80 new veg (1/2 160g)
50 g Rice (carb)
1 cookie

Yes, that sounds right. Ha... at least I got that right... I just need to figure out the lunch/cheese with protein thing thing...

Sasha any advice?

[CohenInAz]

I think I might just drive my consultant nuts and email them every night before I go to bed what I plan to eat the next day to make sure I get it right...

Ha... I'm not kidding. I mean not with the first few easy days but It gets a bit complicated... or its more than likely just me over thinking things but rather safe than sorry.

I will see how I do in Vegas and hopefully I am 100% and hit goal, while I am there and can start re-feed when I get back.

[lfingers11]

Congrats on reaching refeed. I am so proud of you.

I had different answers for this just to let you know.

I was allowed to have 2 fruits at one time.

My consultant, sasha and another consultant said if you go up two pounds total to go back on but another consultant has said the 2 pounds in one day. When it was cleared up for me it was 2 pounds overall, not next day. You decide or maybe sasha will chime in.

when you gain weight the best thing to do is go no carb for 48 hours. 90% of the time it comes off in that time. If it tries to hang on longer than I usually do a day of diet portions. You will see what works for you.

Also, in regards to cheese and carbs and how much after refeed. I have more cheese now that I ever have. I love it and usually have a cheese meal and also a cheese snack. It works for me and recently have not been up and down on the scale doing this. When you have to much the scale will tell you:)

Why aren't you allowed to have bread for breakfast? I think your consultant might be confused? Or I and every person that has done refeed and all our consultants have been. Bread is different than your carbs (that you add in later) and bread is allowed during any meal. Carbs I saved for lunch/dinner.

You are allowed to mix your proteins and your cheese. I also had a chicken salad with cheese. Yummy and such a treat. I am a little confused with the next to last posting.

Also, try to eat all the new foods and regular foods that you can get in even if you get full. Remember you are training your body to get us to all this food. If you train it to eat smaller protions and less carbs than it won't be happy when you go for that piece of pizza.

Also, your consultant said you don't have to have a veggie with every meal. I try to always have a salad or I find myself hungry.

I hope I have not drove you nuts. These are just my options and I saw some things that I thought was a little off. I hope you do great and I can't wait to see new pics!!

[CohenInAz]

Thanks!

Yeah I've read a lot of conflicting things... so I was surprised with a few of the answers.

I know Shawn had bread in the AM...

I sent a few questions in for clarification, so I will see what happens.

I haven't officially started yet, as I still have to drop the last few but I hope to soon.

I'm going to Vegas this week and I should make it, so hopefully when I get back I can start!

[Dayanira]

Wow Az! It must be very hard not to feel doubtful at the start of Refeed. But I think you should keep e-mailing your consultant every step of the way!

[CohenInAz]

1. To clarify, is peanut butter allowed on re-feed. It says butternut, but I think that means butternut squash, not nut butters like peanut butter.

Thanks for the no carb in the AM clarification. I think some have been doing that during re-feed but not after.

Kindly note that butternut is a carb vegetable and peanuts are not related to butternut. Peanuts are not part of the refeeding - they are nuts and should be dealt with like carbs after the refeeding.


2 . To clarify from your answer:

You only take away the 80g from your original portion if you add the full extra portion.

If I split the proteins up.... I do not subtract 80g from the old... only if I have the full 200 in one meal? I should still keep resonable portions that I am ok with.

You only take away old proteins if you eat the full extra portion that day. Also, if you add the say 200g over two meals on the same day, then you will need to take away old protein.

3. To clarify my question from yesterday:

We're not suppose to go carb free with any gain right?

Question not clear. You only go carbs free for 48 hours AFTER the refeeding is you gain weight.

What I meant was... once we are in the maintinance phase, are we suppose to go on 2 days carb free with any weight gain? After 2lbs? 1lb? It seems like a lot of hopping on and off eating carb free and then back to normal, going carb free and then back to normal.

I know before this diet I could gain 2-3 lbs day to day, no matter what I ate. I know this could be from the hormone imbalance and that problem should be corrected now, but I could see there be a lot of 2 days carb free, just based on water retention.

You need to weigh yourself every morning still after you have finished your refeeding in order to make sure that you are not gaining weight. If you had too much carbsor salt, etc. evious day, you will have water retention the next day. Your body does not automatically register this is now the goal weight and will stay there, you have to work for it.

4. Can the 50g carb be a snack during re-feed. I see fat free popcorn listed and I used to eat this as a snack. After re-feed this would need to be right after a meal.

During refeed you can eat the popcorn as a snack in between.

[PINKED]

HOLY CATS, AZ!!! THANK you for sharing everything with us so we can be prepared with a better understanding of re-feed when we get there. I love that you aren't afraid to ask questions and communicate with your consultant - heck, you paid for it, you did the work, USE the RESOURCES and thanks again for sharing the weath of information that you are learning. I'm marking this thread because I WILL MAKE IT to re-feed this summer!

Thank you for being such an inspiration to me!!! I love your helpful comments and guidance and your activity on this board!!! YOU ROCK!!!!