Question Shasha, Cutting out Diet Fruit, and Crackers/Bread

[SurferGirl]

Hi Shasha,

As you may have read, my weight went up 3.4lbs from my start refeed weight only a few days into the refeed. It went back to only +1.4lbs during the two days I went back but now I am wondering if it is a good idea to cut out my diet fruit and some of my crackers/bread to make sure that doesn't happen again.

Also Pam mentioned that it is better for our bodies to limit ourselves to 1 snack in between meals. During refeed we are eating a bit more snacks, what type of schedule should we be using for eating all these snack foods? I was trying to space mine out but that meant I was eating a lot of small snacks instead of a couple of big ones. Maybe this is contributing to my weight gain?

Thanks 1pd guru!
SurferGirl

[Shasha]

{hi} there :surf: Girl

During the Re-feeding Program you may gain and drop and gain and drop constantly – in fact, even after the Re-feeding Program, because you are a living being, you will probably find constant weight fluctuations from one day to another – small fluctuations are quiet normal…

The thing to look at on the Re-feed is how much you have gained in one day? Are you up 2 pounds in 1 day? If not, simply proceed forward. If you do gain 2 pounds in 1 day ie: from yesterday to this morning, that is when you need to go back to allow your body a bit of extra time to adjust.

Remember, we are training your body to cope with more foods… This is your body’s learning school. As such, I don’t recommend that you take away fruit or crackers and bread. Rather that you have them and see what happens. After the Re-feed, you can always cut back starch for a day or two and then drop that unwanted pound.

Re-feeding for some can be quiet tough – the foods become lots more and some people really struggle to eat the foods. They simply cannot have the meals and fruit at the same time because of discomfort. There is no problem, ON THE RE-FEEDING to spread your fruit and crackers. Try to have bread with meals – feel free to space them out between breakfast, lunch and dinner if you like.

If you find a day that all your fruit is just too much, leave some diet fruit out – but remember, it’s not about the fruit, it’s about teaching your body to cope with more foods, foods that are higher in sugar etc. Training your body is the point of Re-feeding and if you don’t add more food, you won’t be training your body to cope with more food… ;)

AFTER the Re-feeding, it’s a new ball game: starch is limited to once a day only and fruit (especially bad fruit) should be limited to once a day. This is probably why PAM recommends that you limit fruit.

Hope this helps... {cheerleader}

[SurferGirl]

Thanks for all that great info Shasha! I have continued eating the fruit and bread and all and I haven't had to go back any more days (knock on wood). I still have a few more days left. I'm really enjoying all the new food. Last night it took me almost an hour to eat all my dinner and my toast, mainly because I was eating it so slowly so I could take in all the nummy flavours.

[Shasha]

{hi} there :surf: Girl

You are most welcome!! :bighug:

Re-feeding is such a special time and I’m so glad that you are doing so very well!!

Yes, eating all the new foods are time consuming… simply cos there are so many of them and because by now you should have learned the healthy habit of eating slowly – you should make time to enjoy your meals always… it normally takes a bit of time for your brain to receive the messages that you are in fact satisfied – if you eat fast, you will receive these impulses too late and as a result you may very well end up over eating…

So, SLOW is definitely THE way to GO!! :clapping3:

[Sharon]

Shasha, Hi there
Do you call chickpeas and red lentils etc carbs to limit once a day? I use them as a tasty way to bulk up my meals and don't have pasta, potatoes, rice, bread etc with that meal - am I still limited to once a day of them or the other mentioned? or if I have chickpeas for lunch can I have a sandwich for tea????
Have I confused you yet?

[Shasha]

{hi} there Sharon

{rofl} I’m a long way from being confused by your question because I believe the answer to be quiet simple… :flirt:

If you study the Carb veggies on page 11 of your Re-feeding Guide, you will see these include: peas and beans… which are to be limited to once a day only.

Dr Cohen says you may have 1 starch meal a day – it can be a mixture of starch ie: bread and beans – but, you should not have starch again on that same day.

Remember, he is trying to limit / lower your insulin levels by reducing how much and how often… so, if you have starchy chickpeas or red lentils, you should NOT have a sandwich for tea because bread also triggers insulin…

What you can do is to have two crackers (not more) with a piece of cheese for tea instead…

Hope this helps... :bighug:

[Sharon]

{duh}Oops, silly me forgot to check the program.
Ta for the info.

[Shasha]

{hi} there Sharon

{noway} you’re not silly! You are very SMART!

Because you ASKED, it means you were open for correction and change {goodjob} cos this may save you quiet a couple of pounds in the long run…

Tip: never try to use starch to bulk up a meal – you need enough proteins and veggies to stay healthy and slim…

PS: :love7:

[SurferGirl]

Hi Shasha,

I am wondering about the fruit again. Now on maintanence how should we treat the "diet" fruit.

I know you said limit to once a day (does this include the diet fruit, or only the "good and bad" fruits?)

Can we eat our 1 fruit any time of day?

You also mentioned apples don't trigger insulin, can we eat more apples in a day?

Also my consultant said that we can have our diet fruit on our 48 hour no carb days. Does that mean all the diet fruit we were allowed i.e. 2 or 3? Or only the 1 we should be cutting it down to?

As you can see, I miss my fruit. And I'm just not sure how, when to eat them. Or if I should avoid them altogether.

[Shasha]

{hi} there :surf:Girl

I :love4: fruit too!

To answer your questions, which I've left in black below:

I am wondering about the fruit again. Now on maintanence how should we treat the "diet" fruit.

I know you said limit to once a day (does this include the diet fruit, or only the "good and bad" fruits?) This is not my rule, but Dr Cohen’s rule and he is talking about all fruit – see page 25 of your Re-feeding Guide.

Can we eat our 1 fruit any time of day? Dr Cohen says it is best to limit fruit to once a day – and to have them as desert ie: within 1 hour after your starch meal.

You also mentioned apples don't trigger insulin, can we eat more apples in a day? That’s not quiet what I remember saying – apples will trigger insulin like everything else you eat, but they will trigger LESS insulin than bad fruit does ie: 1 apple vs 1 portion of watermelon = apples trigger less insulin.

Also my consultant said that we can have our diet fruit on our 48 hour no carb days. YES, you may.

Does that mean all the diet fruit we were allowed i.e. 2 or 3? Or only the 1 we should be cutting it down to? You can have 1 or all of them, I would say it depends on how much weight you have gained. If a lot, cut back to 1 or 2 apples, if your gain was not as serious, have 3 apples. But, note what happens on the scale and use that as your guideline for next time.

As you can see, I miss my fruit. And I'm just not sure how, when to eat them. Or if I should avoid them altogether. I think you can eat your fruit, again, Dr Cohen recommends at night after dinner. I do find, personally that it works just fine for me to have an apple as my mid morning snack. That’s just me though, so I recommend you try and see what happens with your own body. See how you feel. I know it’s not easy, but just try different things slowly and maybe write them down so you can monitor how you felt, were you hungry 1 hour afterwards? Did you gain weight the next day?

I would not recommend having BAD fruit as a mid morning snack – this would trigger too much insulin.

If someone use to be very heavy, it would be best not to have a fruit snack, becaues their bodies are more prone to gaining weight, if you want a fruit snack, DIET fruit are better than BAD fruit.

[PhyllisRis]

That was VERY helpful Shasha! Thank you.....that helps me vision what life after diet will be like.
Phyllis

[GailStout]

I am STILL looking for a sweet tasting diet friendly subsitute for FRUIT -- it's been 18 months and no one's really ever answered my question...and it seems like it continues to be confusing to the folks just now completing re-feeding and going on to LIFE AFTER THE DIET. Fruit is what made this diet work for me, losing it is almost impossible, and VERY frustrating.

HELP! (AGAIN!) Gail